One of the unsung heroes of iOS is CarPlay. It makes your phone far easier, and safer to use while driving. Today, in iOS 12, it’s good, but definitely not great.

Today, I joined my friend John Voorhees to discuss the upcoming changes to CarPlay in iOS 13, as well as some discussion about Vignette and what I’ve been working on lately.

I don’t get the chance to talk to John on a podcast often, so this was a lot of fun. And less than an hour!